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Default 11-10-2009, 09:02 PM

This just came to my mind, what about for those who have AIDS? I know there have been major advances in medicine, but eventually it is a death sentence and a painful one. Should euthanasia be allowed for AIDS patients when they can be on medicine for a long time, possibly long enough to allow for a cure to be found?


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Default 11-10-2009, 09:34 PM

I wrote a paper on this when I was in high school. This is my personal outlook.
For many individuals the quality of life is more important than the length.
Personally, if I was in a vegetative state I would hope to be relieved from my life at that point in time. How I perceive all this is by looking at the quality in which a person lives their life and that it is what makes life a precious thing.There are many people who could live for many of years, but may have not experienced as much as a person who has not ived many years. Neither I nor my family and friends would be able to enjoy life involving me if I was in a vegetative state. Also, It would not only be painful for the person in that state, but also the family and friends that have to see some one like that.The person whom is suffering would no be the person you always knew.

If the body is past its duties, it may be the right thing to extricate the suffering. I know that sounds harsh, but I dont beleive in that kind of lifeless way of living.


Personally I have not experienced euthanasia acted out on anybody I know or was close to, but that still does not change that I believe euthanasia should not be punished. I have been to six funerals; four of the people who passed on died peacefully, one died in a car accident and the other of one of the most painful diseases being pulmonary fibrosis. It broke my heart to see my grandma gasp for air every day and she begged the doctor to relieve her from life as it was too painful to live and they denied her and instead she died in pain. Even people who are not in a vegetative state and are conscious; I would still stand by my beliefs on euthanasia. If the patient is mentally capable of deciding they want to end their life we should let them as it is their last wishes.Prolonging the life of someone who wishes to leave Earth and or is incapable of having a normal quality of life is very wrong and inhumane.


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Default 11-11-2009, 02:45 PM

It's ironic in a way that anyone who allowed an animal to suffer in that way would be charged with animal cruelty, but we still do it to our own kind. People need to realise that there reaches a point when it's cruel to force a loved one to suffer endless and continuous pain, and it's kinder to let them die with dignity.

Father withdraws legal plea over Baby RB's life support | Society | guardian.co.uk

This father fought his son's mother in court, cuz she wanted her son to be allowed to die with dignity, and he wanted him kept alive. He has finally come to the conclusion that his poor little son is suffering, and he should be finally allowed to die. To me, that shows great love; far more than would be shown by forcing life on someone who has no quality of life at all just cuz you can't bear to let them go.


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Default 11-23-2009, 11:08 PM

Man in ‘coma’ heard everything for 23 years - More health news- msnbc.com

Quick summary: Man was declared to be in a coma for 23 years, but was actually completely aware. They didn't realize it until recently when a modern brain scan was used and detected his brain activity.

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Despite the importance of diagnostic accuracy, the rate of misdiagnosis of vegetative state has not substantially changed in the past 15 years, the study said. Back then, studies found that up to 43 percent of patients with disorders of consciousness are erroneously assigned a diagnosis of vegetative state.
Certainly a case to mull over here. He is being diagnosed as having a form of "locked in" syndrome, where movement and speech doesn't occur, but there is thinking and reason. Definately helps to support Lovie with her decision to hang on for a change.


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Default 11-24-2009, 07:20 AM

But then again, wouldn't that promote the worst suffering? Being trapped in the prison of your own body, unable to do anything... most people would welcome death rather than an entire life like that. Baby RB was like that; he had brain function, but he suffered every day of his life. The decision to let him die was the correct one, and he peacefully passed away with his parents beside him.

The question here is; what is more important, life or quality of life? Or, the fact that a patient is suffering or the fact that their relatives can't bear to lose them? It's a lot like the dilemma that a lot of parents of premature babies go thru. Tho there is always someone who'll bleat out, "But I was a premi! I was born at 24 weeks and survived!", that just shows complete ignorance of the subject. A 20 weeker is a lot different to a 24 weeker; a month is a long time in a fetus's life.


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Default 11-24-2009, 05:25 PM

Agreed!

The way I look at is, when it comes down to these types of situations, we treat our animals far better than we treat ourselves. You don't hear about somebody keeping their animal alive for 23 years on machines. No, they safely let them die in the care of a vet and with the animal in the humans arms. That would be the way I would want to die, in a sense. Surrounded by the ones I love and care for. I don't want to be hook up to a stupid machine that keeps me breathing and alive. If you 'pull the plug' on a loved one, then really they are deciding what happens because that's when the will to live and fight becomes tested but if you are already too far gone, then obviously it was their time.


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Default 11-25-2009, 03:09 AM

I believe that as Kitty said originally, if we were to give this power to doctors, legally, then I fear it would lead to them doing it 'legally' to just get rid of us. Things have started out as a good idea and gone terribly, terribly wrong many times before.

But, I also think that people should always have the choice whether to live or not. If they want to kill themselves because they are going to die anyways, then so be it. I just wish there were a painless way where doctors wouldn't have to be involved. That would leave alot of us with alot less uneasiness.


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Default 11-25-2009, 05:06 PM

The more I think about this topic, the more my view that it should be legalized strengthens. Doctors would NEVER kill a patient who is unwilling. Doctors are there to help people get better, but when there is no chance of recovery and the patient wants to willingly die to escape from the chance of dying painfully, where is the problem? Going to see a doctor and dying peacefully seems a lot better than suicide - especially if it doesn't work and has painful consequences. I don't think doctors would kill people just to clear up hospitals...

Again, I don't think his should be done for people with, say, depression or bipolar, or other mental diseases, but like Miranda said, it's QUALITY of life VS. QUANTITY of life.

I do believe everyone should have a conversation like this with their family. If a family member were to end up in a coma, you should know what they would want. Some people would say, "Keep my heart beating no matter what!" and others would say, "When the time comes, set me free. I don't want to live off a machine."

As for the guy who was in a "coma" for 23 years... I'm not sure. I agree with Miranda, that being trapped within your own body and being unable to do anything for 23 years wouldn't be much of a life.
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Default 01-29-2010, 06:07 PM

I definently think it should be legal. But I'd never want to do that. I'll go down fighting, lol. But everyone should have a CHOICE.
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Default 01-30-2010, 07:32 AM

One thing about this subject that annoys me, is when fanatical Christians get involved and erroniously say that turning off machines is "playing God". Surely it's the other way round, and if God wanted that person to die, then keeping them on a machine is going against God's wishes?


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