[spirit_queen]

For sure. And phyisically placing your child in time out and holding them while they scream and cry just makes them defy you more, I've seen; it's best to give them a small little swat and be over with it. My mom did fine with us, for the most part; we know what's right and wrong...

Though, sometimes, whethr or not we listen to our conscience is another thing entirely. and grouding doens't work, like, at all.